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HELP.

My alien polyamory setup is a little dystopian ...

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Switch exclusively to very vague epithets, like "the pretty man laid down on the bed while his ruggedly handsome partner retrieved a bottle of oil. The delicate man shivered, imagining the feeling of his tall dark lover's thick fingers in his ass."

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Sep. 11th, 2025 07:54 pm
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 I've been seeing a lot of people talking about the lack of comments. So, let's talk about it.

I have a few theories.  

First: Are kudos being counted in this conversation? Because I think that makes a difference. It took me a long time to see kudos as comments, given that I'm a Fandom Old who remembers when you couldn't really hit fancy buttons. You had to hit reply, hope you were logged in, and type a comment. Over time, I've come to count them, but I still prefer comments. Especially on chapter fic. I've written chapter fic where I didn't receive many comments, and I wasn't sure if it was because people lost interest, or they'd used their one kudos and that was it. Like that one call from jail.

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, some of my theories:
  • I'm going to be an old fart here and blame phones. Okay, I give them only a small fraction of the blame. But here's the thing - going back to my fandom old days, people generally went online when they had time. Baby was napping, they were home from work, they were on their lunch break and lucky enough to have an oblivious boss who thought Livejournal was a news website, it was Sunday afternoon. Now I talk to friends on Evilbook Messenger who are in between soccer practice runs. People go online on the toilet. I actually think that's stilted internet communication in general; there really isn't a captive, attentive audience the way there was 20 years ago, or even ten years ago, really. (I feel like it was about ten years ago that people started using the internet on their phones regularly, and not just in times of desperation.) 
  • The other issue with phones? They're hard for some of us (me) to type on. I'll own it, I have meant to leave a comment before, but I read the fic (or whatever else) on my phone, meant to comment when I could type something longer than "I'm at the restaurant got us a table", and it never happened.
     

  • I think in the case of some fandoms, they became active in 2020. What happened in 2020 that meant a lot of people weren't leaving their houses very much? Yup. And it seems to me that a lot of people really didn't become active again until early 2022. I know that while I was back in the office by late 2020, I wasn't seeing people in large quantities until early 2022.  So that's two years of people being able to read and comment a lot more, before their lives went back to being busy. 
  •  

  • Going along with this, in general, the fandom may have been inhabited by people who had time in the social distancing years, and then everyone moved on. And even if 2020-2022 has little to nothing to do with it, it is true that fandoms don't seem to have a very long lifespan these days. So it may just be that the fandom's gone stagnant. 
  •  

  • Some people are afraid they'll comment the "wrong" way. It's weird to comment on older fics.  Your comments need to be long. They can't be too long. Emojis are cringe. Among other worries. 

While I realize you're supposed to "write for yourself", we can't deny that people like comments. They like feeling part of a community. Also, it's just nice when your work is appreciated. So, what can we do? I have a few ideas.
  • If you are one of those people who won't respond to things while you're on your phone, try marking for later, or emailing the fic to yourself. 
  •  

  • I try commenting on chapter fics, if I've already used up one kudos. Please let people know you're still reading. If you're not reading at all because you don't read WIPs, may I suggest letting the writer know if you've interacted with them before? I'll be very honest here, I once almost trashed a WIP because no one was commenting. 
  •  

  • Don't be afraid of commenting the "wrong way". People LOVE reviews on their old work. People don't care how long or short your review is.  Emojis are adorbs. If the writer doesn't like it, welp, that's their problem.   

 

What does everyone else think?

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Cat crimes: knocking things off counters, ripping up paper, raising the dead...

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Sep. 10th, 2025 10:58 am
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So... Point of View. Is there a POV you prefer to write, or do you vary it depending on what you're writing? Are there certain types of story you think are best done in a particular POV?

I'm talking broadly here, about 1st, 2nd, and 3rd person and the variants within those, also Outsider POV, and Unreliable Narrator POV (and any other examples you can think of).

Then there's reading different POVs - any differences there from what you prefer to write?

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Have you ever written something from one POV, then decided you needed to change it to another POV? How did that go? How about sticking strictly to a single POV in a story, versus telling the story from several POVs?

[personal profile] china_shop posted about 2nd person POV a while back, here: Come speak to me of second person POV and there's a fair bit of discussion at that post. Plus, here's a vid discussing the basics, and one about weird POVs, which has a bunch of POVs I'd never considered before.

And if you can think of a good example of the use of POV, let us know what works for you about that piece of writing, and link us to it.
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... who, unfamiliar with the terminology, advertises themself in terms of "big mommy milker", only to attract an all-too-likeminded fellow kinkster, the two of them sat like thirsty spider-men, nary a suckable tit between them.

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Spider nudes, spider nudes
Sent to nonnie by spider dudes ...🎶

Well hang on now, nonny. If the dick and thighs are covered by the web, is it really a nude?

Sure! The dick still coyly peeks through the spiderweb, like lacy peekaboo panties. It's classy.


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 So, I'm currently constructing a course to teach young artists (in this case dancers) to build the habit of creative journaling as a foundation for developing collaborative projects and writing grants and stuff. *handwave* That's not relevant except as the impetus for this musing about feedback.

I want to teach them a little bit about how to fruitfully solicit, receive and offer feedback, and that got me thinking about how much I've learned from fandom about this process. Having a good many years and a few hundred fics-worth of experience working with beta readers, I can say that fandom did a fantastic job of preparing me to take and give feedback in my other professional spaces (teaching and learning, pro publishing etc.). The idea of involving beta readers in the creative process was just woven into the fic-writing experience and fandom culture when I dipped my toe into it, and that expectation trained me to hold my deathless prose lightly and to onboard the help and insights of a reader way more graciously than I ever had before. This shift of mindset was due in some ways to the gift-culture ethos of fandom; the delight my community took in working to make cool stuff together helped me to shift my stance from defensive protectiveness to openness. This is something I would like my students to experience in their own work.

So, to that end, I would love to hear what y'all think about soliciting and receiving feedback on your work.

Some things I'm chewing on in that regard:

1. The right feedback at the right time: When I'm asked to beta read for someone, the first question I ask is what kind of beta they are looking for: cheerleading? Line-by-line? Structural? etc. I have found that getting the wrong kind of feedback at the wrong time can be harmful to the process. When I'm struggling with the question of whether this story is even viable, telling me that I have too many adverbs and dangling modifiers is gonna derail me completely. How do you articulate to a beta reader what you need at a given stage of the process?

2. Building trust: Asking for feedback requires a lot of trust, I find, since you're giving someone your baby and asking for help raising it. I used to lean on people I already knew and whose work I admired (sometimes different people for different sorts of stories). What do you do when, for example, you're in a new space or are interacting with someone, either as beta or author, whom you might now know very well? How do you establish trust and boundaries necessary for a good experience?

3. Articulating values and qualities of useful feedback: I have found that building a good beta relationship requires me to "hold my values strongly and my opinions lightly" as a colleague of mine wisely advises. For me, some core values can be captured in the "think" model for feedback:

true, helpful, inspiring, needed and kind.

Other models add to that basic structure: timely, specific, honest and brief.

At the heart of these qualities I find two key requirements for both sides of the relationship: the focus on the work; and, as a corollary, leaving our egos at the door. We have to be both kind and courageous, to simultaneously consider the human being and to ensure that the work itself is at the centre of the relationship. It's tricky.  What values or qualities do you see as central to the beta relationship?

PS. Thanks to all the folks engaging in interesting conversations here. I really appreciate this space.
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